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Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats, things & rings. Does LeBron have a chance to overtake M.J as the greatest of all-time? Is there even an actual goat debate in the NBA?
M.J’s rings vs LeBron James rings, who’s hold more value? They are both legends of the sport and top tier Hall-of Fame talents. Let’s find out the truth.
Table of contents
- NBA Finals 2021
- Anyone Who…
- Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats
- putting hands on you
- No Easy Baskets
- Why LeBron can’t be the GOAT
- Advanced Stats
- Game Score – Advanced
- Space Jam
- Be like…
- Misinformed Buzzer Beaters
- Some Facts
- Like Mike is undisputed
NBA Finals 2021
The NBA Finals just ended and Giannis Antetokoumnpo was dominant for the Milwaukee Bucks as they won their first championship since 1971. Giannis had three 40+ point games in the 2021 finals, including 50 points, 14 rebounds, and 5 blocks in the championship clincher.
NBA Finals Problem
Are the NBA fans who want to compare Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats on social media actually basketball fans?
I ask because throughout the NBA Finals, these fans weren’t talking about the 2021 NBA Finals, instead it was Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats, stats, falsehoods and more warped numbers.
Not only do they think LeBron James is the best basketball player ever but they go as far as to badmouth Michael Jordan like its a real rivalry.
Why are you going on daily about a player who’s Los Angeles Lakers were eliminated in the 1st round, 7 weeks ago?
Stop, Bron raping my face, repeatedly!!!!
I get it, this isn’t boxing with a pound-for-pound list. Everything is subjective. So you can have your opinion. You shouldn’t give your opinion on NBA history if you haven’t witnessed the actual games though.
Anyone who has negative things to say about Michael Jordan, the basketball player, isn’t a fan of the sport, not really.
LeBron James is a basketball legend. Just because he isn’t the greatest NBA player ever doesn’t mean I have to dislike him. The only thing that makes me dislike Bron are the fans that can’t talk about anything else.
Stop, Bron raping my face.
Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats
The fans today that think LeBron is better than Michael Jordan haven’t seen Mike play, not full games. If they had this isn’t what they’d be saying.
These fans just look at the Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats and think they are qualified to speak about NBA history, they aren’t.
Without watching the games, these views and opinions are baseless and it’s the reason they come off as nothing more than foolish idiocy to the people with the proper knowledge.
These same morons that think they can compare Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats and feel qualified to give an educated observation, are the same ones who think today’s players are better than the players from the past.
putting hands on you
Many players today are one dimensional. The fans without the expertise to know this are looking at statistics but the NBA has changed its rules with the purpose of increasing scoring.
Guess What? It worked just as they planned it. To say the game has become less physical in general is a huge understatement. The hand checking rule changed the game entirely itself. This isn’t an opinion if you know anything about NBA basketball and its history.
It is much easier to score when an opposing player can’t put hands on you, before and after you get the ball. This doesn’t just apply to basketball either. This is a universal rule. Everything in life is much easier if someone isn’t putting hands on you.
Brushing your teeth is a pretty simple task but if someone was there checking you every time you put toothpaste on your toothbrush, it wouldn’t be so simple anymore.
It doesn’t matter if you knocked the person out with one punch, the whole process is now “a thing”. After a few days, best case scenario, you’re going to have a screwed up hand to deal with.
No Easy Baskets
Today the game is so soft, if an altercation breaks out on the court and anyone leaves either bench, they are automatically suspended for the next game.
You used to be able to punch other players in the face and half-the-time, it was just a common foul. In this video from the 1987 Finals, James Worthy gets fouled very hard by Greg Kite and Dennis Johnson.
Worthy and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar each punch Kite in the face while Rambis and D.J get it in near the scorers table. There weren’t any flagrant fouls called either. No one was ejected.
Two years prior to this in the 1985 NBA Finals, Kurt Rambis was taking the ball to the basket after receiving a pass from Magic Johnson. What happens next is great form for the WWE. Kevin McHale and his tag team partner Gerald Henderson don’t like easy baskets.
The thought of giving up an uncontested lay-up is so maddening to McHale that he could just rip someone’s head off.
Michael Jordan would average 45-50 ppg in today’s NBA. With less contact, a very soft game and no hand checking, nobody would be able to stop him. They couldn’t stop him when he played and regardless to what some now think, Michael Jordan played against much better defenses in his era than are in the NBA now.
“His Airness” played against some of the best defenses in NBA history. The Bad Boy Pistons, Riley’s Knicks & Heat, the Indiana Pacers and the Orlando Magic.
Riley would literally fine his players if they let up an uncontested lay-up. These teams had so many tough, ferocious big men that would try to hurt anyone who dared enter the Paint.
I’ve had conversations where people with baseless and fictitious views argue that today’s defenders would shutdown Mike. No one is shutting Jordan down. Especially under today’s NBA rules. Kawhi might have shutdown LeBron but M.J isn’t LeBron, he is much greater.
Someone actually told me “Jordan would have to deal with zone defenses today”. These conversations actually get this idiotic. My reply is Michael Jordan had one of the best mid-range games of all-time.
He said “so what, why would that matter”. I know, right. I then had to explain mid-range jump shooting and its effects on a zone defense.
Just the fact that people think Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson would shut Mike down is idiotic. This is not what these people would say if they knew WTF they were talking about.
Scottie Pippen might have been the most talented wing defender of all-time. Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Joe Dumars, Mookie Blaylock, Gary Payton and Derek Harper are as good at defending as anyone today, probably better than most.
Why LeBron can’t be the GOAT
When you are an NBA legend, it doesn’t just matter if you win an NBA championship, how you win them matters too. That is if you want the opportunity to really be in the discussion of passing some of the all-time greats of the game.
LeBron James threw in the towel and quit 3 different times during his career. He did this to stack the deck against the rest of the league. He wanted the best talent in the NBA to help him win those LeBron rings. No one before LBJ ever did anything like this. Not multiple times.
James and Kevin Durant are the only two players to really ever do this before. We just saw Giannis Antetokuomnpo sign a max contract with the Milwaukee Bucks and lead them to their first championship in 50 years with a historic NBA Finals performance.
A player doesn’t have to stay with his original team but what you do and how you do it matters. Giannis said it and recently, Doctor J said he docked James and so do many, many more people. I’m one of these people. He’s done it so much that people in the media talk about it like everybody is doing it. That’s not the case though.
Many NBA superstars from the past could have done this with talent not on par with LeBron’s level of greatness and these players would have won rings too. Kevin Garnett won a ring in Boston but he gave all he had to try and do it in Minnesota. He even said it would have meant more with the T’wolves.
Kobe Bryant was a free-agent in 2005 and he knew the Lakers were about to undergo a serious re-build but he still re-signed with Los Angeles. He could have signed with the Spurs and probably would have won at least 3 more rings when his career ended.
They wouldn’t have meant as much to him though. Kobe Bryant wanted to beat Tim Duncan and the Spurs en route to a ring, he didn’t want to team up with them. I guess this is where Kobe’s competitiveness is just different than LeBron James’.
Looking at Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stats and championships, another big factor that has always been a part of judging this top echelon of talent is winning. Personally, LeBron could’ve won 8 rings and they wouldn’t have meant as much as Jordan’s six.
Bron did what he did teaming up with two other future HOFers in Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.
James won his first two championships in 2012 and 2013. He is very fortunate that he didn’t leave the Miami Heat with a 1-3 Finals record. It is pure luck that this didn’t transpire.
24-11 vs 22-33
Michael Jordan stats are remarkable. He won 25-of-26 NBA playoff series from 1991-1998. He was 24-11 all-time in the NBA Finals too.
LeBron James is 22-33 in the NBA Finals and in 2011 & 2014 he missed the plane or just didn’t show up for some other reason. Maybe he left his heart in Akron. Michael never suffered from this affliction of a chicken bone stuck in his throat.
Bronsexuals like to point to the teams Jordan played in the Finals from the western conference. These were very good teams. They were all better than the San Antonio Spurs team that beat LeBron in 2014 and should’ve defeated Miami the previous season too. It isn’t even close in terms of overall talent.
These teams never could beat Jordan (Suns, Sonics, Jazz, Blazers) and weren’t champions like the ones that beat LeBron. If any of those teams would have beaten Michael Jordan’s Bulls, they would’ve reached another level of historical greatness.
If that happened M.J wouldn’t be Michael Jordan, the way LeBron James isn’t Michael Jordan.
Kawhi Leonard wasn’t the franchise player in 2014 that won a title with the Raptors in 2019. Tim Duncan wasn’t the player that made him the best power forward in NBA history when his Spurs battled the Heat in back-to-back NBA Finals either. He hadn’t been that for quite some time. San Antonio was very deep for the era they played in but not historically great.
Jordan never had to play in an NBA Finals game 7, LeBron got swept twice, lost in 5 twice and was upset twice, most notably in 2011 by the Mavericks. If you put Michael Jordan on that 2011 Miami Heat team, Dirk Nowitzki never wins an NBA championship.
Another thing James supporters want to point out is how good the Golden State Warriors were. OK, that’s just fine and they destroyed Bron and his team, people act like Kevin Durant was on Golden State when the Cleveland Cavaliers won the championship in 2016. He wasn’t.
Two things happened because of the Warriors, LeBron’s playoff stats went up and he suffered the two WORST margins of loss in NBA Finals history. His stats can be likened to a quarterback who throws for 450 yards because his squad is down 27-3 at the half.
When comparing Michael Jordan stats vs LeBron James, stop with the ignorance. One is a forward and the other is a guard. Almost every forward is going to have more rebounds than a shooting guard. What needs to be done is check where they rank all-time at their respected positions.
LeBron James- SF
- points 2nd
- rebounds 12th
- assists 1st
- steals 9th
- blocks 17th
- FG % 17th
- FT % 107th
Michael Jordan- SG
- points 1st
- rebounds 3rd
- assists 4th
- steals 3rd
- blocks 3rd
- FG % 9th
- FT % 34th
M.J is the only shooting guard that is in the top 5 in both steals and blocks all-time at the SG position. It’s clear that both players are legends but James isn’t even top 3 all-time.
He may be the best small forward ever. I think he is and there are some really legendary SF’s in basketball history. James has a rare skillset and playing style too but no one is top 3 that took shortcuts and then still failed more than they succeeded. He doesn’t get credit for stacking the deck and being the best loser. Runner-up trophies in the NBA don’t exist, they aren’t a real thing.
There is nothing Bron can do to catch Jordan. If he isn’t athletically in decline by next spring, he is taking something he shouldn’t be taking. No one is 37-38 years-old and dunking like a 22-year-old. Greatness has nothing to do with aging.
James couldn’t jump anything like Michael Jordan, he is a good power dunker at his size but only a handful of players have ever gotten vert like Mike.
LeBron James has spent more than half of his life in the NBA. That is an accomplishment but not one that gets you ranked over Michael Jordan as the GOAT.
Let’s take a quick look at player efficiency rating (PER), win shares per 48 minutes, and Box Plus/Minus, Michael Jordan is first all-time in each of these for the regular season and the postseason.
Jordan holds the Finals record for points (41.0), set in 1993 and in 1991, he set the current NBA Finals record for assists by non-PG’s with 11.4 assists-per-game.
Michael also has the best value over replacement player (VORP) season in NBA history at 12.47 in 1987-88. He has the third best too, that’s from 1988-89 (11.42). M.J actually has six of the top 10 VORP seasons of all-time.
Game Score – Advanced
The game score analytic isn’t a stat for a season or a career but each rating is for a single game for one particular player. Michael is first with this stat too. His career high 69 point game from 3-28-90 vs the Cavs is first above all other games played by all players throughout NBA history.
Kobe Bryant’s 81 point game against Toronto in 2006 has the 2nd highest game score rating. M.J has two games in the top 5, LeBron’s first appearance isn’t until #9.
James has 3 game score ratings in the top 100 rankings. Michael Jordan has 19 out of the top 100 game scores all-time.
I haven’t seen Space Jam and since I’m an adult I probably never will but shouldn’t LeBron be playing with the Monstars?
At the last minute he leaves Bugs Bunny and joins the Monstars. That would be real rap.
“HA-HA, Another chip bitches” says the Bronsexual. Champions of the Looney Toons.
I know y’all will count it too.
What happened when LeBron lost in 2021?
Bring in Dame Lillard & Chris paul. It counts all the same. Can’t catch Mike for the greatest anyway. That was official in 2011 and reasserted in 2014.
LBJ doesn’t always show up for the Finals. Yeah, OK, Next.
Giannis only needed Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday. That gives the Bucks one franchise player. The Lakers already have two with “King” James and Anthony Davis.
Misinformed Buzzer Beaters
There is a Michael Jordan vs LeBron James stat that says James has hit more buzzer beaters than Jordan. The shot that is most thought of from James is the air ball he threw up in the closing minute of game 6 in the 2013 NBA Finals. When I think of Mike in the clutch, I think of M.J giving the North Carolina Tar Heels the lead with the championship winning shot in the 1982 NCAA national championship game.
I think of the shot over Craig Ehlo in the 1989 playoffs and I think of the sequence where he scored, stole the ball from Karl Malone and then hit the shot over Bryon Russell to secure the Chicago Bulls sixth NBA championship.
“His Airness” shot about 50% in games where he was shooting for the win or tie in the final 5 seconds of the game. “King” James in the same situation shot 19-94 for 19% from the field.
LeBron is shooting 37.5% on shots over 3 feet from the basket, 35.9% in the playoffs. In the last 2 minutes of a game where the score is within five points either way, James is shooting 31.7%. He isn’t a very good free throw shooter either, especially in the clutch.
Like Mike is undisputed
It’s not a question of is James the goat or the next best. Jordan is the goat and Bron isn’t top 3. No one who failed as much as James, who was favored and lost as much as him could be the best in a sport where winning and how you win are the most important criteria.
Michael Jordan didn’t let other players eat, while players have been taking food (rings) right off LBJ’s dinner table. That isn’t top 3 behavior. LeBron James has 4 NBA Finals MVP’s, so I put him somewhere in the top 5. Anyone who says James isn’t top 10 or couldn’t play when Jordan did are speaking out of stupidity.
LeBron is a beast, of course he could play in any era. He played in 17 NBA All-star games, not that it matters. He also led the Los Angeles Lakers to a record 17th NBA title. Congratulations, he just isn’t what Jordan was. If these people who think he is, just keep looking at misleading stats, you’ll never actually understand it.
Not all people who think Jordan is the goat are actually Michael Jordan fans. They’re just people who have seen both players basketball careers. It’s why in an argument we laugh and tell you you’re uninformed, it’s like a secret, an inside joke. There is no other reason for your beliefs than you lack the proper knowledge.
When tasked with the question, all we have to say is Jordan is the best, because that’s what he is. If you could evaluate talent and were properly informed, you would stop saying this nonsense that James is better than Mike. He isn’t even in the same class as Jordan unless you decide winning isn’t that important to a generational players overall legacy.
Every post is about Mike, stop it already, we get it, you lack integrity with a mixture of stupidity used for substance, there is a whole faction of idiots that think their opinion carries weight, when it’s just void of gravity.
The only thing that can save you, as your mind floats through space-time is a singularity to hold you down. In the meantime
Stop(Halt)Bron Raping Our Faces. We know you are wrong, there is nothing he can do to top Mike, who are you actually trying to convince that LeBron is the best, us or yourselves?