Lebron James is the best 3 ever but there isn’t anything he can do by the time he retires to be the Goat.
Lebron James threw in the towel, quit, then asked for a restart with cheat codes, three different times. In the NBA it matters how many titles you win but it also matters how they’re won. Gary Payton won a title with Miami in 2006, it isn’t seen the same as if he would have won in 1996 with Seattle.
So many fans want to point out that James went to 9 NBA Finals. Not that it matters to be the last to lose but he accomplished this feat by leaving his circumstance. Abandoning ship just as it was sinking. Taking all the life jackets with him. Changing teams when things go bad and forming superteams isn’t what a GOAT would do.
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What if Kobe went to SAS?
How Many Titles does he have?
What if Kobe Bryant went to San Antonio in the summer of 2004. How many rings are we talking about Kobe having and where would it rank him overall?
After 2004 the Lakers didn’t have a good team at all. They were bad but Kobe signed a new contract with HIS team anyway. From 2005-2007 Kobe was in his individual prime as an athlete. I don’t just say that because his scoring supports it, even though it does. Fans now-a-days think stats are a tell-all on who a player was.
His 2 top scoring seasons were 2006 and 2007 but that was because he was playing with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. What was he going to pass them the ball, come on now.
A player who wants and works to be great, his best years are from 27-32, give or take a year or two. It’s when the mental meets the physical game, equipped with experience and knowledge.
Bryant had some great moments in these lean years. In 2005 the Lakers won 34 games. In 2006 the season Kobe dropped his historic 81 points, L.A took the offensive juggernaut that was the Phoenix Suns to a game 7 in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Bryant lifted his team onto his shoulders and took them as far as a single player could. My point he didn’t leave and create a superteam. Kobe wouldn’t do that because he wanted to beat these guys. The opponents he went to war with for close to a decade by 2007. The Kevin Garnett’s and Tim Duncan’s of the league.
It wasn’t until the 2007-08 season that Bryant started to get fed up and publicly talked about being traded from Los Angeles. This isn’t what he wanted. What he wanted to do is let the franchise know he expected help after more than 3 years of putting in work just to make the Lakers substandard.
Kobe Climbs Back Up the NBA MountainTop
The Lakers acquired Pau Gasol from Memphis during the 2008 season. The new look Lakers went from limited and barely average to the top of the western conference, winning 57 games and losing to Boston in the NBA Finals.
In Kobe and Pau’s 1st full season together the Lakers won 65 games in 2009 and the first of back-to-back championships. Bryant could have left after the Shaq and Kobe era was over. Bryant knew when he signed his contract prior to the 2004-05 season that L.A was going to have to rebuild completely.
When Kobe Bryant re-signed with the Lakers in 2004 he easily could have joined many title contending teams.Kobe just wasn’t built that way. The titles he could have won wouldn’t have held the same historic importance or merit the same significance that Bryant’s last 2 rings hold.
Mike vs. Lebron
I find this whole argument repetitive, idiotic, and time consuming. There are aspects of the two historic players games, that if it was a tale of the tape, Lebron would have the advantage in some areas. Lebron is the best 3 ever after all.
Lebron has an advantage in rebounding and passing along with size. No one had ever been the size of a power forward with the game of a point guard until Lebron James. Only Ben Simmons possesses the same skillset as James in terms of size and athleticism.
Jordan is the record holder for ppg in an NBA Finals. Not suprising I know. In 1993, M.J averaged 41.0 ppg. In 1991 Mike set The Finals record for assists too by a non-point guard with 11.4 per game. That record still stands today.
The Lakers after they defeated the title favorite TrailBlazers in the West Finals were expected to defeat Chicago easily.
It was thought all around that L.A would beat the Bulls the way Chicago defeated them.
In The Past
In the past players didn’t leave their teams just because they wanted to chase rings.
Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were blessed with great circumstance entering the league. When things fell apart in Boston Bird and McHale didn’t jump ship.
Hakeem Olajuwon dealt with great strife and turmoil in Houston. What Dream did was create the greatest post game known to the game. He stayed the course until choke city was known as clutch city. He didn’t tuck tail and run.
Patrick Ewing and Karl Malone never won titles but they could have using Lebron’s logic.
Lebron James has had some historic moments and seasons.
In 2006 James was clutch in his first playoff series vs. Washington. In 2007 he led Cleveland to the Finals and in 2008 had a historic game 7 against Paul Pierce and the eventual champion Boston Celtics. James was on the rise at this point. James was earning respect the way the legends before him did. Lebron was in the early process of becoming the best 3 ever.
I believe Lebron should have made the finals when the Cavs lost in 6 games to Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkolgu and the Magic. In 2010 I’m not sure what happened. I assume he had moved on from Cleveland before the actual season ended.
After taking his talents to South Beach it turned out Dirk Nowitzki didn’t really care. Nowitzki is another player that stayed the course and eventually led his franchise to a championship.
This means more to history, the player, and the fans in the end. Lebron left Miami the same way he left Cleveland after the 2014 season. When Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh’s careers as superstars were in jeopardy Lebron abandoned ship again.
So Many Players could have done this if they did what James did
So many players could have done what Lebron did, if they did what Lebron did. It’s an acccomplishment I guess to lose 6 out of 9 NBA Finals. It means you’ve won 3 titles. A 4th should be on the way for Los Angeles. After connecting with Anthony Davis, the best player James ever connected with.
Really though, so what. What would his career look like if he never left Miami? That’s me accepting the 1st super team.
What James accomplished in 2016 is the best moment of his career. All thanks to Draymond Green. He played great in the 2018 East playoffs and tried hard in the 2015 Finals.
None of this puts Lebron James anywhere near Michael Jordan as a champion. He could become the NBA’s all time scorer that’s great, it’s impressive but when he accomplishes this he will have spent over half his life in the NBA.
Lebron could have 8 rings and it doesn’t put him up there with Michael Jordan because of how he did it. Many players could do what he did if they quit and restarted again every few years.
It make James the best small forward ever and a top 5 player all-time but because of his methods, Lebron is the best 3 ever and nothing more.